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Conservative Socialist Gang

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This is a gang to gather all people who are both socialists/communists and culturally right on the PrimWiki and it was formally founded by Sindicalista.

Rules For Joining

1. Be a socialist or communist. People who are just economically left-wing like social democrats are also allowed.
2. Be culturally center-right, right-wing, or far-right.
3. (For corporatists) Non-socialist corporatists aren't allowed.
4. Don't be a progressive LARPing as a traditionalist, we can always tell. Traditionalist progressivists will be watched closely.
5. On that note, people who are socially conservative and culturally progressive are allowed.

Member Ideologies

Economic Axis

Syndicalists

Socialists without adjectives

State Socialists

Corporatists

Guild Socialists

Market Socialists

Council Communists

Cybercommunists

Libertarian Socialists

Paternalistic Conservatives

Gift Economy

Social Axis

Revolutionary

Alternative Modernism

Alt-Lite

File:Progconsoc.png Progressive Conservative

Conservative

Paleoconservative

Traditionalist

Nationalist

National Communists

National-Bolsheviks

Reactionary

Control Axis

Orwellian

Totalitarian

Authoritarian

Statist

Liberal

Libertarian

Stateless

Technological Axis

Biomechanicalism

Post-Humanism

File:Contrans.png Transhumanists

Archeofuturists

Post-Industrial

Industrial

Techno-Agrarian

Environmentalist

Agro-industrial

Agrarian

Post-Civilization

Primitivists

Comments

  • GemeinwesenLover (////) - Interesting label to give yourself honestly. Would never have considered you to have much like towards conservatives. Also I had a question to you Sindicalistic, apologies if this is not the correct section for that but eh, let us break convention for the sake of convenience. Why do you reject historical materialism as some kind of product of the value-form? Could you possibly further explain such a theory?
    • Folk Communism - I'm frankly not a conservative, I just put myself here because I am culturally right-wing. Otherwise, conservatism is irrelevant for me, and I do not seek to preserve the current order of things.
      Now, I can only give you a short answer for this one. It could possibly be summed up in this one Guenon quote: "Moreover, our contemporaries are convinced that it is almost exclusively economic conditions that dictate historical events, and they even imagine that it has always been so; a theory has even been invented according to which everything is to be explained by economic factors alone, and has been named, significantly, 'historical materialism'. Here also may be seen the effect of one of those suggestions to which we referred above, suggestions whose power is all the greater in that they correspond to the tendencies of the general mentality; and the result of this suggestion is that economic factors have really come to decide almost everything that occurs in the social sphere. It is true that the masses have always been led in one manner or another, and it could be said that their part in history consists primarily in allowing themselves to be led, since they represent a merely passive element, a 'matter' in the Aristotelian sense of the word."
      I do not completely reject the Marxist philosophy, and still think it is good as a critical reading of history and society, but I am more inclined to see capitalism not simply as an ensemble of social relations, but rather as an progressively-developing ontological totality that possesses beings. That is to say it's fundamental distinction from the rest of history is domestication as a primary feature of its worldview and its effect on people. It comes up with its view of society being materialistic, utilitarian, hyper-rationalistic, and asserts that it is in truth an ideal that has been waiting to be realized for all of history. Thus for the Enlightenment person, such Marx, these forces encompass the whole of history. The duality of exchange-value/use-value now are encompassers of the entirety of history and economy is now only reduced to a balance between exchange and utility. We are told, by Marxists, that the goal we must, and have been trying to for centuries, attain is a society dominated by de-sacralized economic utility, where the liberal wandering subject is preserved but reduced down to the precise moment of consumption, that must believe that "possession exists as a fact and as a right, because any individual consumption presupposes an absolute possession by a person for that intended function". Thus I see Marx both as a critique of capitalism but also the consciousness of capital at the same time, aiming at its super-session. So it follows that I see history not as men chasing their material circumstances all the time but rather two fold as the process of progressive abstraction, repression and domestication of men from the original state (which is frankly hard to define concretely and I should note this in my writings), which must necessarily coincide with the progressive gradual obscuration of the primordial spirituality (Guenon). This is probably a really shitty explanation and I was tired writing most of it but I'll probably expand on it when I get to writing my page. The materialist worldview can only really be a reflection of how value wants to become, and cannot think of how people came to conceive themselves in a time before capital came about. Thus why the projects of mainstream modern Marxists, hell most Marxists throughout history, seem to be in buds with both the worldview and development of capitalist society. (We must throw in as well, for the progressivists: "All emancipation is a reduction of the human world and relationships to man himself. Political emancipation is the reduction of man, on the one hand, to a member of civil society, to an egoistic, independent individual, and, on the other hand, to a citizen, a juridical person." Thus "the complete uprooting of all kinds of people, so that they’re completely liberated and can be moved in any direction whatsoever, to do whatever they’re told to do", thus "human life without human beings".)
      I would like to conclude that you cannot overcome an ontological totality while retaining its metaphysical assumptions, because the two are always built to self-justify each other, as such that is how philosophy fundamentally works. This also applies to the Marxist view of use-value and why the research on gift economies has been useful to dispel such fantasies.
  • M48.Brioism - This (((Gang))) is jewish
    • Folk Communism - When you're an literal ayncrap, and almost all of your ideologies creators are jewish, no need to deflect on us lol

Eurasian Communism - Can I join? I’m not conservative in the mainstream sense, I’m more of a revolutionary traditionalist. But I still want to join.

    • Folk Communism - Lol, I'm also a revolutionary traditionalist opposed to conservatism. This gang encompasses anyone who is culturally right with anti-capitalist affinities. And yes you can join.

Southern American Socialism- Can I join?

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